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Well I've taken a bit of heat for what some are saying is me bashing Barack Hussein Obama and doing so with an animosity toward the man; which isn't so. And honestly the title says it all....why we need to know more about a man who could potentially become our next president. And what the mainstream media and the liberals don't want you to hear. I can't think of anyone I know, that's politically inclined who doesn't want to know as much about the presidential candidates as they possible can.

At any rate....I left off with just a snippet of the self-professed, admitted and non-repentant William Ayers and his long time association with Barack Obama. And as I said in part 1 I would've submitted more on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and I said that there was no need since he's been in the news and will be again...and sure enough, he's back doing interviews and spewing his ridiculous rhetoric and blaming the media for all of his current woes. But lets move on and get back to Ayers since there's a bit to cover.

For them, that makes all the difference. It’s not terror, just chickens coming home to roost. “Terrorists destroy randomly,” Ayers rationalizes with nauseating arrogance, “while our actions bore ... the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate.” Right. As her companion Discover the Networks profile illustrates, Dohrn now goes even further: insisting their bombings weren’t terrorist acts at all: “We rejected terrorism. We were careful not to hurt anybody.”

What??? Terrorism hurts everyone! This is the kind of sickness we deal with....even in this country.

Maybe she’s forgotten the “bastards getting what was coming to them” part. Or maybe she’s just lying. She was, we can be confident, something less than a model of compassion back then — like at the Weathermen “War Council” meeting in 1969, when she famously gushed over the barbaric Manson Family murders of the pregnant actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, and three others: “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”

Charming. The “War Council,” it should be noted, concluded by first condemning the United States for — what else? — its pervasive racism, then formally declaring war against what the Weathermen called “AmeriKKKa.” Rev. Wright would have understood.
It was at the Chicago home of Ayers and Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming “community organizer,” had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working “only to educate” — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers.

Even keeping in mine that the first meeting between the Obama's and Ayers was in 1995....if you think about it, that wasn't all that long ago. Also...although Barack Obama says he has distanced himself from Ayers his explanations for his involvement with Ayers is very weak. And...I say and, the liberal mainstream media refuses to ask Obama the tough questions about this association, or really anything else that might jeopardize his chance at the White House.

And herein lies the problem...because the media isn't delving into these issues a lot of folks don't know about any thing about any of this. But it's hardly surprising since the media has been this way since the advent of television and the nightly news; and especially when they're sucked into a liberal presidential candidate, as history has shown us.

Barack Obama made a joint appearance with Bill Ayers in 1997 at a University of Chicago panel on the outrage of treating juvenile criminals as if they were, well, criminals. Obama apologists say, “So what? People appear with other people all the time.” Nice try. This panel was orchestrated by none other than Michelle Obama, then an Associate Dean of Student Services. Ayers didn’t just "happen" to be there — he was "invited" by the Obamas to educate students on the question before the house: “Should a Child Ever Be Called a ‘Super Predator?’”
And here’s how the University’s press release chose to describe this would-be super predator:

The other panelists included “Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama … who is working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system.” The goal was to promote change, to actuate the vision of “Chicago reformer” Jane Addams, who’d sought “the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a ‘kind and just parent’ for children in crisis.” Never mind the crises they’d caused the victims of their wanton murders and mayhem — the fault for those, surely, was our downright mean society.
The Ayers and Obama, meantime, kept up. There was yet another panel in 2002, Obama and Ayers waxing on “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis.” Dohrn, too, was asked to weigh in, on a panel addressing the question, “Why Do Ideas Matter?” I’m sure it was, er, wild.

So....even as recently as '02 the pair have paneled together. Now liberals can downplay this all they want, but as November is going to close in on us pretty fast...One: People who had not heard about any of these things will begin to hear, and, Two: I'll say it again...liberals and the mainstream media do not want the public at large to know of these issues, and they're scared, afraid that knowledge of these things could really hurt Barack Obama in November
Now finally lets move on to: RASHID KHALIDI

In the interim, Ayers and Obama had teamed up for three years on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago charitable organization. Together, they voted to donate $75,000 of the largesse they controlled to the Arab American Action Network. The AAAN was co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, a longtime supporter of Palestinian “resistance” attacks against Israel, which he openly regards as a racist, apartheid state. Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, Khalidi peremptorily denies having been a PLO operative or having directed its official press agency for six years (from 1976 to 1982). There can be no gainsaying, though, that he was an influential apologist for Yasser Arafat, the terror master who spawned two Intifadas and ordered the murder of American diplomats.
In the mean, besotted United States, of course, being a terrorist, a terror apologist, or simply raging at the machine qualifies one for a cushy academic soapbox. Thus did Khalidi eventually land on his feet at the University of Chicago, where he ran in the same circles as Associate Dean Michelle Obama, Law Professor Barack Obama, University of Illinois-Chicago Education Professor Bill Ayers, and Northwestern Law Professor Bernadine Dohrn (who prepared for a career in instructing future officers of the court with a stint in federal prison for flouting a judge’s order that she testify in a grand jury investigation into the Weathermen’s infamous Brinks robbery-murders).

They didn’t faze Barack Obama, though. He was front and center with Ayers and Dohrn at a farewell bash when Khalidi left Chicago for New York. It was only right. Khalidi, after all, had hosted a fundraiser for Obama in 2000,

And so there you have it...Barack Hussein Obama told us early on that he was willing to sit down with "Hamas", the majority faction in Palestine and Iran's terrorist president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the people who want nothing less that having Israel wiped off the planet, and who hate America and America's. And after the idiotically and nit-witted ex-president Jimmy Carter's, (a super liberal) trip to meet with Hamas, against all objections by the State Dept and the Justice Dept...and objections from the Executive Branch, Hamas says that they now feel legitimized...that's all we need.

Could they really have been friends? Well, Ayers is virtually channeling Michelle Obama and Jeremiah Wright when he wails that American “society is not a just and fair and decent place.”
“God, what a great country,” he scoffed to the Times. “It makes me want to puke.”

Hey, right back at you there, Professor. At least that’s how most of us are likely to feel. But not Sen. Obama. And that’s why Ayers — like Khalidi and Wright and Michelle Obama, and others who know the senator well while we’ve been told precious little — sees in Barack Obama the change he’s been waiting for.

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At 08:55, April 28, 2008, DeeJay said:

For me, the jury is still out on Obama. That said, I think we all have skeletons in our closets that we'd just as soon distance ourselves from. I don't particularly care to broadcast to my students that I have a cousin that did time for murder, was a member of a major bike gang, and died of a drug overdose. Certainly one can argue that I he was a relative; I didn't choose to be related to such a worm. Even so, he was a part of my family.

Once upon a time, I was a rebelious twit of a kid who made some really poor choices in friends. Some of that is most certainly a history that I am not proud of and that I have taken pains to overcome.

My point is, I don't choose to judge Obama on previous choices. I haven't yet decided which of the candidates will get the Deej vote, but I am not counting Obama out because of some gross judgements in error in his past.

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At 12:35, April 29, 2008, texican said:

It's really hard to pinpoint certain people because there are so many that come into and shape a person's life, one way or the other. Certainly, it's something to keep an eye on, but how do we really know the extent of the impact an individual will have on another (spouses and close family notwithstanding)?

My big beef with any candidate would be whether someone would have an influence on them that would be detrimental to the country. I guess I would be more wary of lobbies and special interest groups (as well as individuals) who pour all kinds of money into campaign funds.

Having said that, there's nothing that will make me vote for Obama. I understand the concern about the "other" candidate. Maybe we should all start registering for the "wrong" parties so we can get who we want to run againgst...;) j/k

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At 03:11, April 29, 2008, LauriesAsylum said:
	Well put Rene... Wow, if anyone looked up my past, well, lets just say it's a good thing I'm not running for president, they'd have a field day...:) Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 07:56, April 29, 2008, Rubicon said:

Deej and Laurie...I too have a checkered past, certainly not anything like murder as in the case of your cousin, nevertheless, I guess it would depend on what I did not, or am ok with having exposed.

Rene....you make very valid points, however, if you look at some of the dates of Obama's relationships with Wright and Ayers you see that they are fairly recent...and as we know; especially where the Rev. Wright is concerned.

I have to believe that Wright had a big impact on the Obama's life and way of thinking. I mean after all, his book was inspired by a Wright sermon as is explained in the first post. And I DON'T believe for a minute that Obama was absent the days when Wright was bashing America and saying that our government developed Aids to kill off the black man, and justifying 9/11.
I just don't believe that he didn't hear any of these things in the 20 years of attending that church! Wright is out there now giving speeches and doing interviews because his vanity has run rampant, and he's killing Obama!

But anyway...my point is that in the end we can't know for sure just how much influence that these people have had on the Obama's, but by the same token, we cannot be certain how much of an impact that they have had....and possibly still do. And in the first post to see and read the things that Michelle has said, (and her comments and statements are racist and scary), and the fact that Obama himself continues to tell us about the influence that his wife has on him....well, whose to know?? Could his true beliefs surface once he's in the White House? And how much influence would the First Lady have on his decisions and motivations?

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At 01:11, April 29, 2008, MS said:

We can’t choose our relatives but we do choose our friends and associates. In fact, whom we choose to associate with tells a lot about who we are. We hang out with people who are like-minded and we tend to be influenced by our friends and associates. Most of us go to a church because we like what is being said there and believe the pastor is speaking the truth and it helps or inspires us. In the same way, we want to be around people with similar goals and aspirations to ours. It seems some of Obama’s friends and associates over the years have had some pretty scary ideas how our country works and how to deal with what they don’t like about it. It seems a legitimate question, if not imperative, to ask why he is so comfortable around people who dislike America.

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At 08:33, April 29, 2008, Opinionnation said:
	The more and more we know about Obama, the less special he appears. He is, as I pointed out more than a year ago, the typical leftist... obviously, his friends, wife, and his mentor have all reflected that simple reality. He is who we thought he was (to steal from NFL coach Denny Green) Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 10:20, April 29, 2008, texican said:
	Thanks, Denny...lol. Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 06:04, April 30, 2008, Eclectablog said:

Let me guess. Andrew McCarthy is a rich, fat, white guy.

Whoop. Sure enough.

That screed is hardly worthy of all your cutting and pasting. It's a clever blend of truth with ideological judgments and subtle exaggerations and half-truths that make it seem wise. In fact, it's just a conservative intellectual looking down his nose at someone who has spent his life working for the poor, the disenfranchised and those who are less fortunate in our society.

Makes you wonder why McCarthy can't be bothered to point out the overwhelming body of GOOD work Obama has done to make his neighborhood, his city and his country a better place for everyone.

But, then, that's just not what rich, fat, white conservative men do, now, is it?

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At 09:42, April 30, 2008, Rubicon said:
	Hmmm....funny you mention that "E", in light of all the gang murders going on in Chicago right now. And I'm not looking down at anyone, I'm pointing out that if this guy wants to be our next president then we damn sure need to know everything about him....how can you disagree with that?? Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 10:24, April 30, 2008, Eclectablog said:

Wait. Obama is responsible for the gang murders going on in Chicago?! The BASTARD!!!

And I'm not looking down at anyone, I'm pointing out that if this guy wants to be our next president then we damn sure need to know everything about him....how can you disagree with that??

I'd believe that if you weren't just pointing out every tiny shred of negative guilt-by-association crap you can find to the complete and utter exclusion of even one mention of all the good work he's done in his many years of public service. In other words, you're not showing the whole picture, just the negative parts that suit you. So don't gimme this argument that you're just doing some sort of public service here, 'cause that dawg won't hunt.

I find it amusing that you and Opinionnation and MS are all upset about how you've been offended by Obama as if you were going to vote for him until he offended you but now you've changed your mind. You guys were NEVER going to vote for the likes of Obama (OR Clinton for that matter.) You'd just rather have Clinton on the ticket because you believe (correctly in my opinion) that she's the bigger target and the weaker candidate.

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At 03:03, April 30, 2008, Rubicon said:

"to the complete and utter exclusion of even one mention of all the good work he's done in his many years of public service."

Is that anything like when you beat up on conservative Republican's?? I see....what's good for you is not good for me.

C'mon mister....I ain't no public servant and you know that! And I will applaud the guy for finally getting his balls on and standing up to the vanity stricken and un-American Rev. Wright! So see....I can be fair, sometimes. lol

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At 03:07, April 30, 2008, Eclectablog said:
	Is that anything like when you beat up on conservative Republican's?? I see....what's good for you is not good for me. Yeah, but you're claiming to be filling us in on "everything about him" while you only fill us in on the negatives as you see them. I make no such claim :D Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 04:07, April 30, 2008, MS said:

“….it's just a conservative intellectual looking down his nose at someone who has spent his life working for the poor, the disenfranchised and those who are less fortunate in our society…” “… In other words, you're not showing the whole picture, just the negative parts that suit you….”

What difference does it make if the author of the article in Rubicon’s post is looking down his nose or whether it is some probing journalist you happen to like bringing up these negatives that have surfaced about Obama? They are real issues that have to be addressed and cannot be ignored or covered up by his good works. Are you really comfortable resolving them in your own mind as “ideological judgments and subtle exaggerations and half-truths”?

….”I find it amusing that you and Opinionnation and MS are all upset about how you've been offended by Obama as if you were going to vote for him until he offended you but now you've changed your mind.”…

You are quite right about me at least; I was never going to vote for Obama but there is a very real chance he may be the next President of the US which means he will be my President as well as yours and before and if that happens, I want to make sure he is not some kind of subversive dressed in do gooder clothes. For me, personally, I cannot imagine listening to my pastor condemning America more than about once, maybe twice, before I would be leaving that church. Oh wait, I forgot, he claims not to know what his pastor was preaching. Also, if someone I knew had, in the past, bombed the Pentagon and was unrepentant about it, he would not be on my list to host a “political coming out party for me” or anything else for that matter. At least with Hillary, we know pretty much where we stand. What is the saying – better the devil we know than …?

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At 07:50, April 30, 2008, Eclectablog said:
	What difference does it make if the author of the article in Rubicon’s post is looking down his nose or whether it is some probing journalist... Because at least with a journalist you have a prayer of some balance and fairness. With Andrew McCarthy? Ehhhh...not so much. Add Comment \| Link \| \|

At 07:58, May 1, 2008, Rubicon said:

I think that MS is echoing what I said...and that is that Obama could very well wind up as our next president, that would be yours and mine. I damn sure want to know everything there is to know about the guy and McCarthy, whether right or wrong, like him or hate him, has brought up some very real and valid points and issues that seem to scare you.

You don't want any character flaws in your hero Barack Obama. Whether or not he's just made some bad judgment calls down the line, (as we all have at some time or other), or there's a deeper and hidden side of Obama isn't the point right now....it's all about finding out about the guy, who he is and what he really wants. It's unfortunate that you're not getting it, or missing the point somehow.

And this continual comment about I wasn't going to vote for him anyhow is just not valid, it's completely irrelevant yet you continue to try and use that as some sort of argument. Just because I'm not voting for someone doesn't preclude me from knowing all there is to know! Especially if he has the potential to be the next president of this country, just as you would want to know everything possible about John McCain....and you're not voting for him either. Two way street buddy.

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At 08:18, May 1, 2008, Eclectablog said:

...some very real and valid points and issues that seem to scare you.

Not "scare me". "BORE me". In other words this has been the MAIN topic of conversation for 6 weeks now which is utterly ridiculous.

You don't want any character flaws in your hero Barack Obama...it's all about finding out about the guy, who he is and what he really wants.

You're not pointing out character flaws in Barack Obama. You are pointing out character flaws in people he knows. This is the most obscene example of holding a person responsible for the beliefs of people they know I have ever seen. If you were pointing specific examples proving he shares these viewpoints and that he has these characteristics, then you could make that statement. But you aren't. You haven't pointed out a single example of HIM having beliefs that you find so horrendously objectionable. Only people he knows. Hell, even after he rejects/repudiates/denounces statements by others for which he's being held accountable for, you continue to pile on.

BTW, the same could be done for the other candidates but it's not.

When you start pointing out specific policies and positions and beliefs that Barack Obama has, then I'll debate it seriously with you. But every time you drag out this ridiculous "guilt-by-association" argument, which is pretty much ALL you have done, you can expect me to make some remark about not voting for the person whose viewpoints you're so upset about. It's pretty simple, really.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, now that McCain is the Republican nominee, he's fair game for everyone, including me. You'll note that I didn't post a single thing about him until he secured the nomination. You, on the other hand, can not make that claim.

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At 11:40, May 1, 2008, Rubicon said:

I'm not making any claims "E"!

"If you were pointing specific examples proving he shares these viewpoints and that he has these characteristics,"

I can't know just what's in the mans heart, mind and soul, and neither can you. I see where Obama has tried harder to distance himself from Wright especially...but I still have a very hard time believing that in 20 years of having that man as their pastor, their spiritual adviser, married the two, and baptized their two children and not once did Obama pick up on the racial hate and the bashing of America and his hate-filled crap!

Would you try to convince me of something like that, after having a 20 year relationship with someone? You're telling me that the Obama's stayed all that time even while disagreeing with Wrights sermons, and his racial slurs and his hate filled tirades? C'mon man....gimme a freakin' break!! I'd get through maybe a half of one of those sermons before I would be far, far, away from someone like that!!

So just how do you know what's in Obama's heart, mind and soul? You don't....he claims that his wife is the biggest influence in his life. It doesn't trouble you that she speaks of this country the way she does? That she thinks in terms of white superiority and that the black man is still being kept down? Even though she's had the best of educations, holds a very envious position, and has reaped all of the benefits that this great country has to offer?

If she is that big an influence then what if he were to actually land in the White House and she maintains this heavy influence on him and helps to sway his thinking and judgments? You don't know and I could be way the hell off base...and it wouldn't be the first time that a First Lady had strong influences on the president husbands.

I'm willing to freely admit that I could be seriously wrong! I want to believe the guy when he speaks...but some things just aren't lining up. And yes of course....McCain is fair game, but I think you'll have a much harder time finding any goods on him.

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At 12:16, May 1, 2008, Eclectablog said:

I've heard nothing from Wright that can be characterized as racist. Even in the handful of cherry-picked sound bites that we've been shown ad nauseum lately, his rants are against government policies as they relate to minorities, not "America". The same goes for Michelle Obama's comments. She may have been successful in America but it's DESPITE the things that make it harder for black Americans. Being successful does not disqualify her from having opinions on the matter.

Criticism of government policies and societal influences that need to be made better has a long rich history in this country (e.g. the civil rights movement, the women's movement, etc.) Participating in those conversations, is not only okay, it is, in some ways, the foundation for improvement that allows our country to move forward and evolve. I'll go so far as to call it patriotic.

As far as "knowing a man's heart", that's not what I'm talking about. You can learn a great deal about what a person is about by looking at their DEEDS. I look at what Obama has done in his life, his work in Chicago, his public service at the state and federal level and at the policies he has promoted in that time and I admire it. The rest of this stuff does not inform me about HIM.

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At 01:30, May 2, 2008, Rubicon said:

"I've heard nothing from Wright that can be characterized as racist."

What?? Really?? And it's not just snippets or sound bites of the things he spews....it's the entire sermon or speech! You need to read the transcripts of what he preaches and speeches about! The man is a racist and promotes racism and wants every room he enters to be filled with the same hate that he says he feels! Forget Obama for a minute....this man is bad news for all of us! This is exactly the kind of "black man" that we DON'T NEED in this country right now...............OR EVER!!
But I guess he helps to keep Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in business.

"The same goes for Michelle Obama's comments. She may have been successful in America but it's DESPITE the things that make it harder for black Americans."

"E".....please don't try and tell me that blacks still don't have the same opportunities that are afforded whites! That is crap! Yes....there was a time when that was true, but those days are gone. I cannot count the number of ultra-successful blacks that are out there now. It's up to the individual to go after it...black, white, red, or purple for that matter!

And to think that she would bash the system that gave her so much is just ridiculous and offensive.

"Criticism of government policies and societal influences that need to be made better has a long rich history in this country (e.g. the civil rights movement, the women's movement, etc.) Participating in those conversations, is not only okay, it is, in some ways, the foundation for improvement that allows our country to move forward and evolve. I'll go so far as to call it patriotic."

I just had to paste this whole paragraph....you're sometimes just unbelievable. You'd call saying that our government inventing AIDS to kill off the black man is patriotic, and should be talked about?? It's somehow ok to say that when the "chickens came home to roost" justifies 9/11?? That we somehow deserved 9/11 and you're using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as your models? Man....C'mon, gimme a freakin' break!!!!

You'd say that our president and present administration and government were behind 9/11? If you can defend a man like this...oh, and people like Rosie 'O' Donnel et al and do it with a straight face then you're something else!

"You can learn a great deal about what a person is about by looking at their DEEDS. I look at what Obama has done in his life, his work in Chicago,"

Indeed you can. But we're not hearing much about any good deeds coming from Obama while in Chicago now are we. Is it because Rev. Wright's crap has overshadowed these so-called good deeds? Or is it possible that Obama didn't accomplish as much as he'd like for you to believe?
Serving on this board or that board may look good on the resume, but it's the end results that make the man.

I'm not saying that Barack Obama has not done good things. I believe that somewhere, somehow he has. But don't look to Chicago currently with all of the gang wars and killings going on there right now. And I don't hear any Chicagoites talking about any of Obama's good deeds...do you?

We could just forget Barack Obama now and do a study of the so-called Rev. Jeremiah Wright. A man seriously consumed by money and vanity!!

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At 03:07, May 2, 2008, Eclectablog said:

What?? Really?? And it's not just snippets or sound bites of the things he spews....it's the entire sermon or speech!

C'mon, Michael. If it's that blatant, you should be able to give me at least ONE example of how he's racist.

"E".....please don't try and tell me that blacks still don't have the same opportunities that are afforded whites!

I most absolutely believe this. I'm surrounded by examples of it every day in the little WonderBreadWhite community where I work. It's not everywhere and it's not as blatant as in the past but it is absolutely true that black Americans still have to battle discrimination in many areas in this country. The fact that the media even thinks to ask the question "Is America ready for a black president" proves it.

I just had to paste this whole paragraph....you're sometimes just unbelievable. You'd call saying that our government inventing AIDS to kill off the black man is patriotic, and should be talked about??...
You'd say that our president and present administration and government were behind 9/11?

Absolutely not. I never said those things and I don't believe them. My comment about criticizing America was in reference to the comments by Michelle Obama that you find so offensive. Like Obama (and most rational people in this country) I think the AIDS comments by Wright are completely lunatic as are conspiracy theories with regard to the attacks of September 11, 2001. However, I do believe that the mayhem we have carried out in other parts of the world has bred a hatred of America that manifested itself, in part, in those attacks.

I won't go far to defend Wright. I think he's an egotistical, self-centered, attention whore idiot. But I do NOT think that he is generally a racist.

By the way, those comments about "chickens coming home to roost" were not made by him. If you had actually listened to the whole sermon you would know he was quoting the former Ambassador to the Iraq, Edward Peck (a white guy, btw.) More HERE.

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